Posted by Recovering a true copy of Obama’s birth certificate IS important to the general public, because he is being interviewed by us for the most important job in the world, the President of the United States. Unfortunately major networks or newspapers are not covering this story, because if they can keep you from learning new information about Obama, the better chance their candidate will win. This type of media, elitist attitude assumes that the average American fed their propaganda, spoon by spoon, are more or less too dumb to see the clear bias in their reporting. Ha! Welcome to the internet, where the voices of average Americans are heard.
Some are trying to say that obtaining a true copy of Obama’s birth certificate is not important, and that the “conservatives” can dig and dig, and at in the end of the day, they will be ridiculed for trying to defame candidate Obama, without any credible evidence. Even a simple inquiry is deemed as a waste of time. Now imagine for a moment that the candidate in question is President Bush. How eager the media would be to uncover some inconsistency in Mr. Bush’s records!
Regardless of the candidate, trust is a big issue with the public, and if it is true that Obama’s campaign doctored his birth certificate, it is important that we know it. It doesn’t matter where the “rumor” started, what matters is that as American citizens we have the right by law to learn the truth, it’s called the “Freedom of Information Act”, and it’s at our disposal. So, don’t be scared off by a group of people not interested in truth finding, instead dig, dig and dig.
Even the more moderate commentators and some conservatives will advise us to leave matters alone. My answer is politely no I will not because I have some real questions about Obama, his sincerity, his philosophy, and his character. It is my right to try and find answers to these questions.
Fellow blogger and friend, Mitchell Langbert, recently tried to obtain a true copy of Obama’s birth certificate; it’s interesting to see how Hawaiian officials are giving him the runaround. See his blog here http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/07/is-hawaii-manipulating-obama-related.html.
I keep posting on Craigslist in Hawaii politics section and the demoncrats keep deleting truth seekers posting. They have censored this web site created by a truth seeker.
By dave on Jul 12, 2008
Here is a link to the JPG of the shut down web site.
By dave on Jul 12, 2008
Snoopes is in the tank for Obama too.
By Raquel on Jul 12, 2008
Even some Repub lawyers I spoke to last night say it’s a waste of time, don’t spin your wheels, it’s hopeless, the media doesn’t care, etc etc. I think lawyers, democtrat and repub alike should form their own party. The “I-sold-out” party. Thank you Raquel and Mitchell for pursuing the truth. This is the elepahnt in the middle of the room. Where is his freakin’ birth certificate?
By Phil Orenstein on Jul 13, 2008
Er.. who cares?
This is another example of useless smearing.
There’s no question his mother was an american citizen, and no question that by virtue of that he is a natural born American citizen.
Seriously. Discuss issues.
By bob on Jul 13, 2008
All Obama has to do is authorize the release of a true copy of his birth certificate. It’s really not that much to ask, bboobbb. Talk about issues, that’s easy, we know the talking points and the respective party’s platforms.
It’s o.kkkk to request Obama’s birth certificate. No one will be slandered or smeared, we just want a copy of the birth certificate directly from Hawaii records, rather than (duh!) Obama’s website. It is no big deal, no big smear. What is wrong with you? Yea so he probably was born in Hawaii, I just want proof, so what?
Democrats smear President Bush all day long, every day of the year. They waste more time smearing Republicans with their media backed friends in one day, than the republicans do in one year. Get real.
By Raquel on Jul 13, 2008
Dude has a passport, so a certified copy of his birth certificate from the requisite authorities has already been vetted.
Moreover, there’s no colorable argument that he is inelligible for the presidency as a result of citizenship issues.
Therefore, the whole discussion of birth certificates is not a relevant issue for the election, and wasting time on it is in no one’s interest.
And smearing and irrelevant crap does happen from the left. Take Kusinich’s ridiculous impeachment articles. That doesn’t mean I have to applaud smears from the right.
By bob on Jul 13, 2008
It’s still not a smear!!
It’s a simple request.
I don’t understand, bob, how you can be so adament (sp? – wish this had spellcheck) about stopping us from discussing whether the representation issued by Obama’s campaign is a true and accurate copy of the original, yet you have no problem with Obama being associated with a group that is against America and rooting for our enemies.
By Raquel on Jul 13, 2008
It’s an attempt to distract the campaign and the public from real issues with salacious conpsiracy allegations.
There’s no colorable argument that the man is not a US citizen eligible to hold the presidency, and those who push this issue are just trying plant doubt as to that fact. It’s like LBJ and the barnyard sow story. A smear.
BTW, my problem with Code Pink is not that they are “rooting for our enemies” – I don’t think that any more than I think Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell were “rooting for our enemies”. My problem with Code Pink is that they are too absolutist and confrontational, seem to prefer ideology over reality, and generally overplay their hand to nobody’s benefit – pretty much the same problems I have with the “christian conservative” movement, PETA, Greenpeace, and most organizations of both the far left and the far right.
By bob on Jul 14, 2008
If he has a valid birth certificate, then why doesn’t he produce it, as the Clintons finally produced their tax returns after much “smearing” from the right as well as Obama & company. I don’t think the people’s right to investigate our future leaders backgrounds, associations, credentials, certificates and tax records should be infringed. I don’t appreciate the stifling of our right to hold our potential leaders accountable. In God we trust, all others pay cash.
By Phil Orenstein on Jul 16, 2008
You obviously have the right to investigate within the law, but the point is here that all reasonable investigation has been done. I don’t believe you care about investigation. It seems to me all you care about is throwing as much mud as you can, hoping enough will stick to tilt the election.
I mean look at snopes. Not just on this story, but with all the other anti obama stuff. Clearly there are those on the GoP side who believe the way to win is to play dirty. That’s too bad, as most republicans I know around here aren’t like that at all.
Code pink is the same idea. If there was any actual evidence that they were funding terrorism I’m sure they’d be prosecuted. It’s not like the government agencies responsible for that job are from the same end of thre political spectrum that they are.
Let’s face it – running a race like a mud slinging contest only gets you incompetent elected officals. Look at what we have now in the white house. A guy who despite claiming to be a conservative has increased discretionary domestic spending and increased the national debt more than any other president in history, who has allowed the dollar to lose half its value against the euro, etc, etc.
For me, I’m still undecided between McCain and Obama, though I’m starting to lean towards Obama based on national defense and economic policy concerns. I like McCain better on general experience issues and the 2nd amendment, of course. Also a McCain victory would do a lot of good for the GoP, in that he woul show that a principled, patriotic leader can win without slinging mud. In the end its probably better to try to clean house from the current administration that has screwed up so badly, though, and Obama is better on that front.
By bob on Jul 16, 2008
I checked snopes and true, those are real underhanded smears against Obama. That’s not what we are talking about. Don’t confuse the issue. I wouldn’t put out information like that without faact checking first. Obama is “Radical Muslim,” was swron into office on the Quran, has been endorced by the KKK, etc. C’mon man. These are real smears put out by morons. Don’t try to conflate the real concerns we have over a candidate with a tissue thin resume. The issues we’re dealing with which are his radical associations and dubious credentials, are not smears or mud-slinging but legitimate issues.
By Phil Orenstein on Jul 16, 2008
The reason I put them together is that the birth certificate issue has no concievable relevance that I can see.
The only way it could possibly be relevant is if the guy was arguably not a natural born citizen and therefore inelligible to hold the office. If his eligibility depended on his birth certificate, I would agree that its an issue, but it doesn’t, and so it isn’t.
The only other purpose I can think of for even taking about his birth certificate is to cast doubt on whether he is a natural born citizen elligible to hold the office, and so I count the birth certificate issue as part of a smear campaign.
I mean honestly, the guy has got a thin resume compared to McCain. No question there. And as I said earlier he would be one of the youngest US presidents ever elected, and the only folks ever elected younger had strong military experience and were combat tested. That counts for a lot in my book, and if I end up going for McCain that will be one of the primary reasons.
But a birth certificate? Come on. That has nothing to do with anyone’s experience, and the only reason I can see for even talking about it is to cast doubt on his technical eligibility for the office, which again in my view is dirty politics.
By bob on Jul 16, 2008
The technical eligibility is not the only reason some are questioning the validity of the copy posted at Obama’s site.
There is an issue of whether Obama has been inconsistent with his biography. It’s not the most important thing in the world sure, but I still see know reason for Obama to resist authorization of a copy directly from Hawaii.
By Raquel on Jul 16, 2008
I don’t see how that matters. Are you saying he wasn’t born were he says he was? Or maybe he was born on a different day? Or in a different hospital? What possible effect could his birth certificate have on his qualifications for office other than the citizenship issue?
Meanwhile, we all know that amoungst the many pieces of mud slinging glurge going around is the claim that he is not a natural born citizen, and the vast majority of blogging I’ve seen on the subject takes the position that the birth certificate is relevant to the natural born citizen requirement. But again, it’s not.
Further, almost all the stuff I’ve seen on the web alledging he has given a “doctored” certificate are based on purported analysis of a single jpeg allegedly vouched for by the campaign, but no one can even concretely tie their supposed doctored jpeg to any jpeg the campaign endorsed.
So all we’re left with, absent some other explanation of why it is relevant, is the conclusion that it’s part of a mud slinging campaign.
The bottom line is this is, agian, just like the LBJ sow story – you don’t expect to actually get anywhere on the substance, but if you can make the canidate go on the air and address the issue you’ve accomplished your goal – planted a seed of doubt in a few folks minds as to whether he really is a citizen.
Finally, I don’t really think anyone who claims to be concerned about this supposed “issue” will ever accept anyhting as proof. No matter what gets put out there, they’ll keep alleging fakes and forgeries. Heck, I recently saw one blog where some nutjob filed a FOIA request and when he was turned down started claiming that the state was intentionally violating the law by not releasing the document to him – does he file suit for mandamus though, which is the proper way to force an errant state official to comply with the law? No, he just yowls about how the state is covering up for Obama.
The way I see it the only thing he can do is ignore it. There isn’t anything he could do to make the people supposedly concerned about this vote for him anyway.
By bob on Jul 16, 2008
Again you are conflating nutjobs with a reasonable desire to hold a candidate accountable for what should be public record. I understand you’re not interested but some people want to know about Obamas birth certificate, his associations, etc and should pursue it to the limit. It is an essential part of the vetting process. I feel every American should want to know. This goes for any candidate, McCain as well. They will be representating the greatest country on the world stage to world leaders, like Putin, Achmdinejad, Fox, Chavez, friends and foes alike and we should not give them any reason to mock us. Wheather a President without a valid birth certificate becomes a thorn in our sides or not, they are certainly mocking frivolous Americans with their mindless Messiah complex. History teaches us to always be vigilant, think critically, and never sucumb to demogogues or mass hysteria.
This all happened before. In 1928 people laughed at Hitler’s new National Socialist party which was relegated to the lunatic fringes of German society and deemed to have no political future. But less than 5 years later, he would be chancellor. I’m not comparing Obama to Hitler, but just pointing out the urgency to never forget our history and always be vigilant, even for practice. It’s a healthy excercise to pursue the truth! Obama is an unknown quantity with dubious accomplishemnts who sat in the pews for 20 years listening to a preacher, his spiritual advisor, damming America, Israel and the white race. As with many others, I want to know more about this man.
By Phil Orenstein on Jul 17, 2008
I don’t see it.
First, the hitler example is a bit much. Its relevant in Iraq, sure, where I think the arc will likely be the same after we leave – that is after we leave if there is a free and democratic society a theocraticly oriented shiite governemnt friendly to Iran will soon be elected, and that governemnt will (as hitler did) quickly use the power gained through the democratic process to outlaw opposition, outlaw democracy, and entrench itself as a dictatorship.
I think Obama is unlikely to do anything similar here. I know you’re saying you’re not comapring them but if not why even bring it up?
As for the birth certificate, I can’t see how our enemies could use that against us. Indeed, if Obama was responding to the whole birth certificate crowd I would be less likely to vote for him because it would show an inability to prioritize and a tendancy to let his opposition define the playing field – neither of which is a good quality for a commander in chief.
By bob on Jul 17, 2008
O.k., o.k., I get it! You think the issue of the birth certificate is “nuts”. You make some good points, Bob.
Now let’s move on to some other important topics, like gas prices and Obama’s positions on the war.
Check my posts and let me know what you think!
By Raquel on Jul 18, 2008
This link is interesting. The story lives on…and no one knows where it will take us.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
By Raquel on Jul 20, 2008
We have to stick to the issues. Personal attacks will only backfire. I said the same thing when it seemed Hillary would be our opponent. When Ann Carrozza first appeared, many of our own GOP refused to take her seriously, and it made our volunteers lazy. The main issue is that Obama is a total repeat of Jimmy Carter. That is what we should be focusing on. The problem is that many of own phoney GOP are instictively disloyal to the GOP agenda and they try to hide this behind their personal attacks on Obama. McCain should be working on unifying a GOP which has good reason not to trust him because of his arrogance (disguised as independence – ie, he is more important than the party) instead of encouraging personal attack on Obama. Too many hard core GOP are still sitting out the national race until McCain at least choses a veep better than himself.
By Vasos Panagiotopoulos on Jul 24, 2008
McCain was not my first choice, I liked Mitt Romney, and I like him for VP too.
I have a lot of issues with McCain which I will not go into detail here, but I have come to the conclusion, and I’m pretty hard core conservative, that we have to “fluff” McCain up, because the alternative is much much worse.
You are absolutely right about the need for McCain to unify the party. But it’s difficult from that high end (he’s not exactly the right person, we don’t want the party moving left).
It really starts grass roots, I think, fighting the corruption and egotism from the ground up.
The NY GOP is in the center, and no doubt feel vindicated by the McCain win. They also prefer that McCain pick someone in the center for VP (which I am hoping will not happen). McCain got lucky with Florida. If Romney would have taken Florida, he would be the nominie.
By Raquel on Jul 25, 2008
John McCain was also not my first choice, but this is the system. We must do everything possible to support him. The world is a dangerous place and B. Hussein Obama does not seem to grasp that. He will also wreck the economy by raising taxes. He is also unconcerned about gas prices. In fact, I suspect that he and Mommy Pelosi like the higher prices because they are being run by the radical environmentlists.
By Alice L. on Jul 30, 2008
Obama’s mother’s original Social Security Number Application
http://webofdeception.com/obamamother‘sssapplication.html
By Robert Lewis on Aug 4, 2008
Robert,
Could you resubmit link? It’s not working.
By Raquel on Aug 4, 2008
According to an investigation on Atlas Shrugs, the argument that Obama is a natural born US citizen by virtue of his Mother’s SS#, doesn’t hold water. Birth doesn’t necessarily grant legal citizenship. Barack Hussein was born when his Mom was 18 and proof of citizenship by birth requires at least 5 years citizenship of mom proir to childbirth, providing her age was 14 years or over. I’m anticipating this argument from the above comments, so if there is further interest, I can search for the documentation.
By Phil O on Aug 4, 2008
Another publication doubts accuracy of Obama’s birth certificate.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13040.htm
By Raquel on Aug 5, 2008